In the face of violence and racism, how do we keep believing in change? A leader in the Black Lives Matter movement, co-founder of the Campaign Zero police reform campaign and host of podcast Pod Save the People, DeRay Mckesson places the idea of shared hope for a better future at the core of his activism. In conversation with Faustina Agolley at the Antidote festival in 2019, DeRay encourages us to take responsibility for imagining, then building, the world we want to live in.